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Yeahbuddy

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"Yeah bro – Telmisartan 40mg a day and you’ll be sweet!"

Too often Is this the advice floated to anyone experiencing adverse effects from their steroid use problems. Applying a medical band-aid to a newly acquired lifestyle choice by solving the side-effect of one drug with another.

In defense of something other than drug use to fix our problems, we’re going to be highlighting alternative ways to reduce blood pressure WITHOUT using more drugs and applying a bit of forward thinking and effort instead.

Alrighty! Now that most the forums clicked off we can begin on methods to reduce BP;

#1. Cardiovascular Exercise – Actual Cardio

First off, let’s kill the notion that lifting weights is ‘sufficient exercise’ and therefore we can’t do any more physical activity to improve things, as we “workout for 5-10 hours a week already”.
Sitting on a bench for 8/10ths of the time you’re in the gym and then lifting the weight for 2/10ths of the time you’re in there, Is not the same as 30/30 minutes on a treadmill, exercise bike, or any other cardio.

There’s a number of studies which show cardiovascular exercise leads to resting BP improvement, however none of these are on people on gear or vetted to be weight lifting already (normies only).
To support real world application on enhanced individuals, many professional bodybuilders now incorporate cardio daily ON or OFF-season regardless. IFBB PRO Antoine Valliant utilizes 30-minutes cardio approx.. 4x per week in his regime to stay in healthy range @ a whopping 300+ lbs.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BppiFvrFtwE/ (Forgive me for linking an insta post as proof lol)

Do cardio Is what I'm suggesting here gentlemen - You'll be suprised how much a couple 30-minute sessions a week can change things.

#2. Dietary Choices

This sections quite complex so a brief outline on elements that effect BP in dietary application will be provided below;

- Potassium

No surprise here, increased potassium intake can aide in lowering blood pressure – Everyone’s favourite ARB (Telmisartan) spares potassium via one of the beneficial effects of use, so putting 2 and 2 together we can see the relation of positive effects.

One thing to point out here – If you are using Telmisartan already be cautious of dosing additional potassium when taking this medication as the use of it is already increasing your potassium stores.
Don’t want any of you fuckers thinking more is better and having a heart-attack from an electrolyte imbalance here.

- Fats (Saturated & Trans)

This ones HDL/LDL related for the most part coupled with Cholesterol effected. Whilst you might have a genetic makeup which makes you more prone to high-cholesterol than others – ensuring you are limiting ‘bad’ fats (sat/trans) and getting a good mix of ‘good’ fats (mono/poly) can aide in reducing this concern.
Limiting the overall intake of fats if prone to higher BP in general is wise as a rule of thumb, yet we are aiming to limit here NOT eliminate or minimize – Balance is necessary for normal function when it comes to dietary fat intake.

- Electrolyte Minerals (Sodium, potassium, chloride, magnesium, calcium, phosphate, and bicarbonates)

Yes, we just pointed out more potassium within reason can be beneficial on BP, but now I’m telling you we need a balance of the above to make that happen – this shits not confusing at all is it?

Long story short, imbalance of electrolytes you’d know about real quick (ref: too much potassium risk) so all we really want to eliminate here is not getting a sufficient intake of these minerals and not a deficiency in them. Deficiency will come down to how limited your dietary intake is in general and exertion applied at any time – much like you gulp down a Gatorade to replenish electrolytes after strenuous physical exercise, this is when intaking more electrolytes is needed.

This is also a great point of why we try not to eat like shit all the time in general – yes you can do it, but low and behold it has adverse effects beyond ‘calories in and calories out’…. Anyways! I digress here.

- Salt (Sodium)

Its up and down on this one on generalized studies and athletic performance on overall salt intake being a problem for BP. Increased Sodium will be acclimated to by our body when consistent, BUT too much salt can lead to increased hypertension (BP) results and risks.

All I’ll recommend here is to not go hard on applying salt to meals outside of your training window where we are utilizing salt to increase the pump (bloodflow) or replenish sodium stores lost through sweat (post-workout).

- Shitloads of other aspects (dietary intake general)

BP is highly affected by dietary choices as much as anything else. In the interest of keep this article sensible, I’d recommend personal research beyond here to see what can be done to improve BP via dietary intake.


#3. Weight Management

This one’s not going to be very applicable but worth noting as it’s a cause of higher BP.
Now In a bulk we can almost throw out any consideration that our weights going to be ‘managed’ as putting on more weight is almost a certainty throughout it. However, this is NOT an excuse to be a fat cunt year-round because ‘bulk’ – If Its muscle then so be it, if its you being 25%+ body fat, reel it in!

Not only are we likely to live longer if we stress our body less on the daily, but training is going to go much better for physique purposes (strength purposes this can be heavily debated). Endurance matters for bodybuilding training more than short-burst sets for strength and thus – beneficial to progress.

More to the point here – If you have the option to sit at 15% or 25% bodyfat, pick the lower number.
Less stress on the body and lower blood-pressure from reduced daily demand to physically exist.

#4. Stress (Cortisol)

Ever been told to Chill out? - Perfect advice for living really.
Cortisol (the stress hormone) Is there to regulate a variety of seriously important functions ranging from inflammatory, blood sugar and blood pressure responses.

Unfortunately regulating stress comes with downsides – when it comes to blood pressure the release of cortisol narrows the arteries and increases your heart-rate by signaling the release of epinephrine (adrenaline) into the body.
Because as far as your body is concerned there’s something trying to kill us in the wake of immediately high levels of cortisol and doesn’t realize its just you forgetting to send that important email before close of business.

Stress less at all times and you’ll live longer as the above won’t need to occur when it isn’t needed, saving our heart from overworking or exploding from dumb shit that ultimately doesn’t matter almost every single time.


#5. Lifestyle Choices (Smoking, Drinking, etc.)

No brainer, drugs are bad kids. If Its fun and immediately gives you short-term benefits, Its probably bad for you. Do less of these If you’re doing them and having high BP issues is the advice.

Closing out this one, there’s many ways to tackle Blood Pressure (BP) issues from the ones listed and many other ones not listed. Things you can’t change that also effect BP like age and genetic predisposition are things to keep in mind too – but didn’t see much point in telling you to not get older or be born with better genetics – I’ll leave those ones for your wife to point out.

Anyways, be smart and don’t be afraid to get on a treadmill and live sensibly – not every solution needs drugs.


Much Love.

-YeahBuddy
 
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imed

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Yep, even my Cardiologist recommended more cardio rather than bumping up my BP med. I have hypertension and family history of high BP.

Once i explained my cardio is zero. In fact i will drive to the shops and around and around 5 times looking for a park rather than the 7 minute walk he suggested to incorporate regular cardio. Have done, begrudgingly. Just find it interferes with constructive gym time. But now force myself.
 

joshabol

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Awesome write up. I've really got to get back into consistent cardio. I just ordered Telmi as Im deep bulk and blood pressure is slowly rising. Basic tasks are becoming exauhsting. This is a good reminder to not rely on bandaids.
 

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Great article. Love the way you add value to the forum and the way you coach.

Great advice, even I do cardio now. 🤣🤣🤣
 

Beyond Limits

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Great post! I 100% agree with everything you have written - we need to be doing cardio, we need to be making healthy lifestyle choices and focus on body composition and health.

But we don't just use telmisartan for BP effects - its everything else it does is why its so important and why I think its a critical base drug for us.
 

justhere

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Great post! I 100% agree with everything you have written - we need to be doing cardio, we need to be making healthy lifestyle choices and focus on body composition and health.

But we don't just use telmisartan for BP effects - its everything else it does is why its so important and why I think its a critical base drug for us.
Interesting topic, tell me more about the benifits of telmisartan?
 

Beyond Limits

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Interesting topic, tell me more about the benifits of telmisartan?
Victor Black definitely explains it better than I can but it helps with:
- controlling up regulation of RAAS
- oxidative stress
- lipid skewing
- insulin resistance
- hypertension

It’s the version of cardarine that also passed the toxicity tests, so does help with fat burning / weight loss

I believe it is also renal and brain protective but someone correct me if I’m wrong
 

justhere

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Victor Black definitely explains it better than I can but it helps with:
- controlling up regulation of RAAS
- oxidative stress
- lipid skewing
- insulin resistance
- hypertension

It’s the version of cardarine that also passed the toxicity tests, so does help with fat burning / weight loss

I believe it is also renal and brain protective but someone correct me if I’m wrong
I'll check it out, cheers
 

jack3d

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"Yeah bro – Telmisartan 40mg a day and you’ll be sweet!"

Too often Is this the advice floated to anyone experiencing adverse effects from their steroid use problems. Applying a medical band-aid to a newly acquired lifestyle choice by solving the side-effect of one drug with another.

In defense of something other than drug use to fix our problems, we’re going to be highlighting alternative ways to reduce blood pressure WITHOUT using more drugs and applying a bit of forward thinking and effort instead.

Alrighty! Now that most the forums clicked off we can begin on methods to reduce BP;

#1. Cardiovascular Exercise – Actual Cardio

First off, let’s kill the notion that lifting weights is ‘sufficient exercise’ and therefore we can’t do any more physical activity to improve things, as we “workout for 5-10 hours a week already”.
Sitting on a bench for 8/10ths of the time you’re in the gym and then lifting the weight for 2/10ths of the time you’re in there, Is not the same as 30/30 minutes on a treadmill, exercise bike, or any other cardio.

There’s a number of studies which show cardiovascular exercise leads to resting BP improvement, however none of these are on people on gear or vetted to be weight lifting already (normies only).
To support real world application on enhanced individuals, many professional bodybuilders now incorporate cardio daily ON or OFF-season regardless. IFBB PRO Antoine Valliant utilizes 30-minutes cardio approx.. 4x per week in his regime to stay in healthy range @ a whopping 300+ lbs.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BppiFvrFtwE/ (Forgive me for linking an insta post as proof lol)

Do cardio Is what I'm suggesting here gentlemen - You'll be suprised how much a couple 30-minute sessions a week can change things.

#2. Dietary Choices

This sections quite complex so a brief outline on elements that effect BP in dietary application will be provided below;

- Potassium

No surprise here, increased potassium intake can aide in lowering blood pressure – Everyone’s favourite ARB (Telmisartan) spares potassium via one of the beneficial effects of use, so putting 2 and 2 together we can see the relation of positive effects.

One thing to point out here – If you are using Telmisartan already be cautious of dosing additional potassium when taking this medication as the use of it is already increasing your potassium stores.
Don’t want any of you fuckers thinking more is better and having a heart-attack from an electrolyte imbalance here.

- Fats (Saturated & Trans)

This ones HDL/LDL related for the most part coupled with Cholesterol effected. Whilst you might have a genetic makeup which makes you more prone to high-cholesterol than others – ensuring you are limiting ‘bad’ fats (sat/trans) and getting a good mix of ‘good’ fats (mono/poly) can aide in reducing this concern.
Limiting the overall intake of fats if prone to higher BP in general is wise as a rule of thumb, yet we are aiming to limit here NOT eliminate or minimize – Balance is necessary for normal function when it comes to dietary fat intake.

- Electrolyte Minerals (Sodium, potassium, chloride, magnesium, calcium, phosphate, and bicarbonates)

Yes, we just pointed out more potassium within reason can be beneficial on BP, but now I’m telling you we need a balance of the above to make that happen – this shits not confusing at all is it?

Long story short, imbalance of electrolytes you’d know about real quick (ref: too much potassium risk) so all we really want to eliminate here is not getting a sufficient intake of these minerals and not a deficiency in them. Deficiency will come down to how limited your dietary intake is in general and exertion applied at any time – much like you gulp down a Gatorade to replenish electrolytes after strenuous physical exercise, this is when intaking more electrolytes is needed.

This is also a great point of why we try not to eat like shit all the time in general – yes you can do it, but low and behold it has adverse effects beyond ‘calories in and calories out’…. Anyways! I digress here.

- Salt (Sodium)

Its up and down on this one on generalized studies and athletic performance on overall salt intake being a problem for BP. Increased Sodium will be acclimated to by our body when consistent, BUT too much salt can lead to increased hypertension (BP) results and risks.

All I’ll recommend here is to not go hard on applying salt to meals outside of your training window where we are utilizing salt to increase the pump (bloodflow) or replenish sodium stores lost through sweat (post-workout).

- Shitloads of other aspects (dietary intake general)

BP is highly affected by dietary choices as much as anything else. In the interest of keep this article sensible, I’d recommend personal research beyond here to see what can be done to improve BP via dietary intake.


#3. Weight Management

This one’s not going to be very applicable but worth noting as it’s a cause of higher BP.
Now In a bulk we can almost throw out any consideration that our weights going to be ‘managed’ as putting on more weight is almost a certainty throughout it. However, this is NOT an excuse to be a fat cunt year-round because ‘bulk’ – If Its muscle then so be it, if its you being 25%+ body fat, reel it in!

Not only are we likely to live longer if we stress our body less on the daily, but training is going to go much better for physique purposes (strength purposes this can be heavily debated). Endurance matters for bodybuilding training more than short-burst sets for strength and thus – beneficial to progress.

More to the point here – If you have the option to sit at 15% or 25% bodyfat, pick the lower number.
Less stress on the body and lower blood-pressure from reduced daily demand to physically exist.

#4. Stress (Cortisol)

Ever been told to Chill out? - Perfect advice for living really.
Cortisol (the stress hormone) Is there to regulate a variety of seriously important functions ranging from inflammatory, blood sugar and blood pressure responses.

Unfortunately regulating stress comes with downsides – when it comes to blood pressure the release of cortisol narrows the arteries and increases your heart-rate by signaling the release of epinephrine (adrenaline) into the body.
Because as far as your body is concerned there’s something trying to kill us in the wake of immediately high levels of cortisol and doesn’t realize its just you forgetting to send that important email before close of business.

Stress less at all times and you’ll live longer as the above won’t need to occur when it isn’t needed, saving our heart from overworking or exploding from dumb shit that ultimately doesn’t matter almost every single time.


#5. Lifestyle Choices (Smoking, Drinking, etc.)

No brainer, drugs are bad kids. If Its fun and immediately gives you short-term benefits, Its probably bad for you. Do less of these If you’re doing them and having high BP issues is the advice.

Closing out this one, there’s many ways to tackle Blood Pressure (BP) issues from the ones listed and many other ones not listed. Things you can’t change that also effect BP like age and genetic predisposition are things to keep in mind too – but didn’t see much point in telling you to not get older or be born with better genetics – I’ll leave those ones for your wife to point out.

Anyways, be smart and don’t be afraid to get on a treadmill and live sensibly – not every solution needs drugs.


Much Love.

-YeahBuddy
Great post bro, some really easy low hanging fruit to aim for first before pulling the meds. And you'd need to do all of that even on meds anyway!
 

Dark

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Excellent post, as someone who has fought a long and hard battle with heart failure I can't stress enough the follwing:
- Cardio
- Diet
- Weight management
These things are crucial for heart health.
 

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